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this week on "the journal editorial report," obama care marches on, despite an apology for the rollout debacle and growing outrage over millions of dropped policies. president obama says it's full steam ahead for the controversial law. plus, new nsa leaks pit the spy agency against the administration. did the white house okay the surveillance of our allies? all that and our election preview from new jersey to virginia to colorado. a look at what's on the ballot this tuesday. i'm as frustrated and angry as anyone with the flawed launch
raggio and economics writer joe moore. what have we learned from sebelius' appearance this week? >> not very much. she indicated the website and the larger architecture of the system are in much deeper trouble than we thought. hp hh. hhs is not even getting accurate enrollment data. >> they don't know either. >> right, it's think that's why they haven't been saying. >> we don't know when it will be fixed. they said the end of november but there's no guarantee. >> they didn't say which november. i think this could stretch out much longer than they're predicting. >> the other thing that's striking to me, and we heard the clip from the president say we're going to grind it out. three yards and a cloud of confused technology or whatever it is. politically, it means they're not going to bend on this. they're going to keep driving.
no, no delays, that seems to be the message. >> this is the rendezvous with liberal destiny and they're not going to let anything dissuade them from the track they're on, even the problems they created themselves. >> isn't that creating problems for themselves? why not just delay it a year? >> well, that would be the best option i think. then you throw it into an election year and it gets litigated. so all the problems we're seeing will become even more of a political issue and drag on much longer. >> and the president said, james, look, we -- he flatout said, don't worry about losing these policies. those were substandard policies, lousy policies. >> according to him. >> according to him. were they? >> yes this is what people are learning. they were not substandard at least to the people who freely chose to buy them who thought those policies met their needs and they're now learning his promise that if you like it you can keep it means if he likes it you can keep it. it continues to grind on.
and i think also people are starting to realize this thing may fail a lot sooner than expected as young people decide this is not for them. >> this is a key point i think. these policy changes, getting rid of these policies, sectionally outlining them, any tweak in the policies in the individual market, this was by design. this was built in and planned. >> absolutely. this has been the plan all along. they could have created -- they could have said, look, we're creating these better policies. we're giving these subsidies. if you want to stick with what we consider your crummy plan, be our guest. they didn't do that. they're trying to stuff asp people as possible into the exchanges as quickly as they can. >> that's the motive here, reduce the individual market, push everybody into the federal exchanges because they need them to finance the subsidies? >> that's partially it. the other reason is political
control. when they're defining how health care's financed. they're also defining what kind of benefits that must be covered, what medicine actually is. that's the other side of the coin. >> james, were you buying s ini sebelius' "i take responsibility" here? >> the question is, what does it take to fire her? this is really a barack obama production here. i do think a vulnerability for her at that hearing -- she gave that november 30th date. a congressman said you need two months just to make sure it's secure, just to do the testing. this is another problem, as they try to convince young people to buy uneconomic policies that they're now saying is your data even going to be secure. this thing could unravel if young people don't sign up. >> what's the political response, particularly from the democrats in the senate? are we seeing them begin to get nervous about this? any breaks for the
administration? >> you know, we are, at least in congress, not in the administration, and that's because, you know, i think the website problems have been almost a distraction to the real problem here which is this is trying to sell the american people. they're look at the product now, they're finding they're losing the insurance they want, and they're being forced into something that for manies of americans will be expensive. what you're seeing is a lot of the red state democrats are getting very nervous about what the political impact of this will be. there are some people who think even on tuesday's elections in some of the states, it might be an issue, because people are just hopping angry about the product being forced upon them. >> i think the danger for the administration in implementing this is you get a group of eight or nine democrats who say, look, we insist on a delay of a year, something like that. any sign they're going that far yet? >> not quite yet.
i predict there will be a huge ground swell of support. not just in the senate but some of the house democrats saying we can't live with this we're going to have to put this off until after the midterm elections, which is a one-year delay. >> is there an opportunity for republicans to cut in here and maybe offer an alternative that's better? >> you would think. the flaws and problems with this program are real, but this program is also creating an opportunity for them to offer a genuine reform alternative. saying, look, you had these choices before. here's what we want to do, xyz, to give you those choices back. >> expanded choice, expanded doctor choices, networks, all of that. all right, thank you. when we come back, the nsa controversy grows. as a new round of leaks pit the spy agency against the white house over who knew what about our overseas intelligence operations. but isn't it time to turn the page on your cup of joe? gevalia, or a cup of johan, is like losing yourself in a great book.
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the ongoing nsa controversy. fresh leaks pit the spy agency against the obama administration over who knew what about the surveillance of world leaders and as members of congress demanded an investigation and possible curtailment of the collection of foreign intelligence. we're back with joe raggio, mary, and matt cominski also joining the panel. are you buying the claim that the white house has offered, that the president didn't know the nsa was listening in on world leaders? >> if the president didn't know the u.s. is even in worst shape than we thought all along. first of all, the nsa, everything they do is supervised. this wasn't some rogue operation. this is what they do. and, you know, a lot of the data we get from europe is collected in this way. >> and also collected -- >> with the help of the europeans, yes.
so the idea that he didn't know either not being truthful or not doing his job at all. >> yes, the implication of that -- this idea that the nsa is somehow a rogue agency like in a hollywood film where they've got all these people going out on their own and listening to whatever they feel like just because, well, it feels good, and we can do is so we will do it. that's not really plausible. >> the nsa came out this week on wednesday at hearing with the head of national intelligence and keith alexander, head of nsa, saying, first, everything we do, we get guidance from the white house. we don't always say this information came from this tap. if it's something important as we got it from the chancellor of germany angela merkel, that will be fairly clear to the president when he's being briefed. >> there's some discussion that what should happen -- the united states has an agreement with five countries, britain, canada,
australia, new zealand, the united states, five countries, that we don't spy on each other and they share intelligence. some people say we should include germany and france in that group of five to make it a group of seven. do you agree? >> no, because the germans and france want to go there, but it's a special relationship we've had with the english speaking world that's there, built up over decades of trust. there are things with which we compete with france on and with germany. really, the worst thing about this, is that we created a political problem for chancellor merkel and the french having this come out. >> inside germany. >> they actually don't -- i'm sure they knew this was going on but once the snowden documents came out, they had to deal with it politically at home. >> what should they do to handle that? how can we help them at hope, mary? >> i prefer the kind of -- sort of things that senator feinstein is suggesting, which really aren't major changes in the way
the policy would work. the fact of the matter is everybody spies. the french intelligence, former french head of intelligence came out last week and said, what are you talking about, everybody's been doing this. helmut schmidt said when he was chancellor of germany he assumed he was being spied on. this has been going on since the cold war. so basically yes, maybe we should provide some cosmetic cover in order to help, for example, merkel regain some trust in the relationship with the u.s. beyond that, i don't think we should do anything. >> dianne feinstein being the chairman of the senate intelligence committee. she's moving some legislation to put some -- a review of all of these things. there's also a report this week, joe, that the nsa was spying, breaking into google and yahoo! networks overseas, not domestically, but overseas, and the companies themselves this week are up in arms about that. >> they are. you have to remember, these were
taps overseas, purely foreign communications. when the snowden documents started to company out -- >> snowden being the leaker. >> edward snowden being the leaker. we were talking about domestic spying and snooping on americans. here you have purely foreign intelligence and suddenly that's a crime as well. it's kind of an indication of the moving goal post of this debate. >> there's a great danger here domestically of the political backlash. think feinstein's trying to ward it off -- patrick leahy, there's sensenbrenner in the house, there's -- >> especially pushing legislation to stop the nsa from data collection. to let the aclu basically argue why certain things shouldn't be done, and to really handcuff our intelligence services the way that happened in the 1970s which indirectly led up to our failures that led to 9/11. >> how big a danger is that, mary? >> well, it's -- i think it's possible that, you know, you're
going to get the momentum but it's incredibly naive. i mean, you know, as if -- if the u.s. stops doing this, then it won't be happening anymore. if the u.s. stops doing it, then the only ones doing it will be the chinese, the russians. you know, the brazilians. the cubans. and probably the germans and the french. the idea that by banning the u.s. from doing it, you can somehow stop the spying world is crazy. >> all right, mary o'grady, thank you. when we come back, our election day preview from a pair of high-profile governors races to some controversial ballot measures. we'll tell you what's at stake in your state on tuesday. it's time for advil cold and sinus. [ male announcer ] truth is that won't relieve all your symptoms. new alka seltzer plus-d relieves more sinus symptoms than any other behind the counter liquid gel. oh what a relief it is. excuse me? glacier point? follow me!
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on the pair of governors races this tuesday as voters in new jersey and virginia give us a glimpse of the political landscape heading into 2016 but bal lt measures across the country are also generating their share of controversy including a constitutional amendment to raise the minimum wage in the garden state and another in colorado that would increase taxes by $950 million in one year and restructure the way that state funds its public schools. we're back with james freeman and steve moore. let's go to colorado first. it's a very interesting state, trending left politically with a kind of new coalition of cultural liberals and hispanics. and women. leading to a democratic majority there. and they could take another big step to the left with this ballot initiative. explain. >> no question about it. you're exactly right. colorado is one of those states that has moved more to the left than just about any other state in the country.
partially because of huge democratic liberal money that's gone into that state. what they've now put on the ballot is a ji gaigantic income tax increase to pay for more money for schools. big power play on the left to expand the size of the state government. the income tax, if raised would get rid of a traditional policy of a low flat tax. i would make the case one of the reasons colorado has been a high growth state is because they've had a very, you know, sound economic -- that's in jeopardy now. >> the flat tax. all income levels. if this passes, it would move up to 5% for certain taxpayers and 5.9% i think it is for people above $75,000 a year. then what's happened with states to get rid of the flat tax, it makes it easier to raise taxes again and again. >> right.
just ask people in illinois or ask people in new jersey and new york. it won't be long until that goes up to 8% in my opinion if they pass this. i think the people will vote it down. >> what all this money is supposed to fund is more pre-k and full-day kindergarten. the evidence is just not there this improves educational outcomes. even the department of education's own study on headstart shows you a lot of these early investments don't pay off. >> let's turn to new jersey where you are a voter, james, and chris christie, the republican governor, looks like he's going to coast to re-election, but there's an interesting ballot initiative that would imbed, raise the minimum wage and imbed future minimum wage increases into the constitution. >> right, into the state constitution. it's knocking the state minimum wage about a point above, going to about 8.5%. $8.25 an hour. this is really when you look at young people and their struggle
to find work in new jersey, this is about the last thing we need. our state has a higher unemployment rate than any of our neighbors. pennsylvania, new york, delaware. and it really is above the national average. so now you're taking that group of people that wants to come into the workforce, that wants skills, that wants to show they can do a job, and you're making it that much harder for small businesses to hire them. >> let's turn to virginia. which i believe is your state. and you've got that governor's race. and the republican, ken cuccinelli, looks like he might have a chance. he's moving closer to terry mcauliffe, the democrat, who's at a comfortable lead. could he pull this out? >> if you'd asked me that last week, i would have said no way, but what's happening in this race, interestingly enough, i talked to ken cuccinelli late this week, and he told me that their polls are narrowing. that's what any politician will tell you. what he's telling me is the number one reason he's closing that gap is because of one word,
paul, obama care. this has become a big issue in this state race because terry mcauliffe is all in for obama care. the attorney general, ken cuccinelli, is against it. it's interesting how that obama care issue may have a big impact on a big state race on tuesday. >> interesting, can obama care trump the earlier shutdown problems which have hurt ken cuccinelli in northern virginia which provides about 30% of the statewide vote. >> exactly. >> in new york city, quickly, the mayor's race, fascinating decision by second district court of appeals putting a stop on ban and frisk a lower court imposed and throwing the judge off the case. could that complicate things for the front-runner bill de blasio who's running for the office and who has opposed stop and frisk? >> interesting, to this point, he's been able to say, a judge has spoken. now that judge has been basically repudiated by a higher
level. the hope here is police are going to be able to continue to do constitutional searches. >> all right, james, we'll be watching all these races. we have to take one more break. when we come back, hits and misses. constantly putting out fires. so i deserve a small business credit card with amazing rewards. with the spark cascard from capital one, i get 2% cash back on ery purchase, every day. i break my back around here. finally soone's recognizing me with unlimited rewards! meetings start at 11, cindy. [ male announcer get the spark business card from capital one. choose 2% cash back or double miles on every purchase, every d. what's in your wallet? i need your timesheets, larry!
time now for hits and misses of the week. matt, first to you. >> some good news for frequent flyers. the federal aviation administration's ped aviation committee has decided you can keep your phone and your kindle or your ipad on at takeoff and landing. one less hassle in flying. which raises the following, when are we going to get rid of the tsa? >> oh, joy, i get to listen to more cell phone conversations. >> this is a miss for brown university which hosted police commissioner ray kelly this week. he went there to give a talk on
proactive policing. students booed and heckled him until he had to leave. he was not able to give his talk. there was a time when a university like brown was considered a liberal institution. those days are over. think it's very sad. >> used to be liberal in the best sense of that word. now it's the worst. james. >> i guess this is a hit. admiring the savvy of those political operators at goldman who had a lot of friends in washington in 2008 and helped them get bailouts. now we find on their payroll, hillary clinton, as well as mrs. ted cruz. they've covered all the bases once again. very impressive. >> is there some irony of forethought in that? >> yes, shooting for irony. the delivery, not such great admiration. you got to do what you got to do. remember, if you have your own hit or miss, please send it to
us at fox now doot com. be sure to follow us on twitter. that's it for this week's shows. thanks for watching. hope to see you right here next week. brand-new information on the alleged gunman as things begin to get back to normal at los angeles international airport following yesterday's rampage that killed one tsa agent, injuring at least five other people and disrupting hundreds of flights nationwide. hello, everyone, glad you're with us. i'm greg jarrett. >> i'm arthel neville. welcome inside america's news headquarters. this is 23-year-old paul ciancia armed with a semiautomatic